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Wednesday, April 05, 2006

Pride and Humility part 2

Somewhat discordantly, 2 Corinthians sees pride as a good thing, but only insofar as it is applied to the "things of the heart" and as long as the pride is not borne out of comparison with others. In essence, one can only be proud of one's own humility. This is merely to repeat that what Kelley calls self-esteem is evil, and that mental and moral submission is good.

"The sin of pride is the sin of sins.
St. Augustine of Hippo (354-430 A.D.) wrote, "'Pride is the commencement of all sin' because it was this which overthrew the devil, from whom arose the origin of sin;
The sin of pride is a preoccupation with self. It is thus very fitting that the middle letter in the word is "i." Pride is all about "me, myself, and I." So even as the word "pride" is centered upon an "i," the sin itself is also centered upon "I.""

"Deep within the heart of every man exists a darkness, a demon, a foul disease. It is an evil that lodges in each and every one of us and distinguishes not between men, whether rich or poor, free or slave. (...) It is a universal cancer; it is ungodly pride.
Beware of this consuming cancer; check its spread before it overruns your whole person. Never entertain the thought that perchance you are immune from such a dread disease. Pride is at first a shadow that seeks to elude our notice; it feeds upon ignorance and draws strength from blindness."

"God cannot connect with those who live to please themselves, to make themselves first. Those who do this will in the end be last of all. The sin that is most nearly hopeless and incurable is pride of opinion, self-conceit. This stands in the way of all growth.
Those who have had the deepest experience in the things of God are the farthest removed from pride or self-exaltation. They have the humblest thoughts of self and the most exalted conceptions of the glory and excellence of Christ. They feel that the lowest place in His service is too honorable for them."

What a horrible morality ! To be a human being, to stand for what's true and right, is the worst sin for a Christian. Not only a sin, but the sin of sins, not murder, sacrifice, slavery, willfull ignorance, intolerence, intellectual and physical submission, injustice, dishonesty, or irrationality, all of which are in fact promoted by Christianity and the Bible to varied extents. Rather, they choose pride.

Why ?

Well, the obvious general answer is that, like any other collectivist belief, Christianity relies on the abdication of the self to higher ideals and moral principles. Therefore, to be proud is to rely on one's own values and knowledge, which is fatal to the propagation of any such belief system. Freethinkers and responsible people don't make good Christians. Religions and cults do not thrive in times where people have strong moral compasses and lack the mental vulnerability necessary to convert.

There is also the association of pride with all kinds of other negative attitudes. This echoes the way Christians associate other religions with criminality, delinquancy and immorality. Also, in cult think, the group is the only way to be moral, therefore anyone who opposes the group's goals is by definition immoral.

But most importantly, I like the quote describing pride as a demon deep within our hearts. In a way, this is very true - regardless of how indoctrinated or brainwashed anyone is, there is still a core of human qualities that remains a danger to the belief system. "Deep within their hearts", Christians have the understanding that what they believe and do is wrong, because their true personal values remain there. Even though they preach faith and submission, they cannot follow these to their fullest extent, and neither is it possible to do so even logically. To follow faith requires a rational understanding of what is being followed, and submission requires the independence necessary to decide to submit.

And thus we come back to the necessity of acknowledging the existence of the individual, and thus the virtue of pride. No one really admires the symbol of pallid incompetence hanging on a tree, although they very much like to mentally masturbate to its failure as a culture of victimhood. To be a pitiful writhing worm, to stop thinking, to abandon life itself, is not actually desired by anyone.

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At 4/06/2006 7:19 PM, Blogger breakerslion declaimed...

Let's see... if the actual reasons for doing something or perpetuating a belief are drastically different from the stated reasons, then we call those statements... something... I had it a minute ago... Oh yes, a lie.

Pride is a "sin" because if you have self-esteem, then you don't need external validation, and the cult love-bombings and similar activities go nowhere. It is awfully hard to make a person make-believe themselves into "feeling" the invisible, non-existent security blanket of surrender to an external control of their lives if they firmly believe themselves to be in control thereof.

Most of the dire warnings against pride and its tragic outcomes can be refuted by the simple observation that in life, if there is no risk, there is almost certainly no reward. Why focus on the tragic outcomes anyway, except that they feed the lie? Contradictory experiences are to be ignored.

At 4/06/2006 7:44 PM, Blogger Aaron Kinney declaimed...

God to humans: believe in me, not yourselves!

At 4/11/2006 2:50 AM, Blogger Pavielle declaimed...

To put it simply:

Yes, Christians are immoral. Christianity itself is not. Here is a list of my immoralities:

I have lied.
I have hated.
I have been malicous.
I have been unkind and uncaring.
I have been prideful.

None of these things is directly related to Christianity. Somtimes Christianity is preverted into immorality. So I would like to apologoze for all those Christians who have misrepresented Jesus, who have killed and lied in His name, who have been self rightcheouss.

Christians are no different from anyone else really in terms of morality. The only difference is that they are forgiven. You were right when you said that no Christian can follow God totally. Luckily, that is not a requirment of God. In the Christian faith, God simply says that you have to accept Him (A mustard seed of faith), all other sins will be forgiven. This includes not following God to the fullest.

I really don't see what your gyus point is. Are Christians immoral? Duh. Who isn't? That is not the point. Christians don't accept God and suddenly become perfect (Sometimes they think they do, which is a shame). Christianity is a faith based on love. Treat people well. You can nitpick all you want, but that is the ultimate message of the Bible. You actually wanna look at a religion that is immoral? There are none. Islam, Judaism, Hindusim, etc. are all basically moral religions. However, they, like Christianity, can be preverted terribly. Consider the Shari'a code of law that Muslims have developed. It has no basis on the Koran but it has been integrated into their religion. For example, acorrding to Shari'a, we would all be as good as dead. You becuase you are atheists and me becuase I am Christian. They have zero tolerance. Also, if a woman is caught walking with a man who is not her relative, she will be buried to her waist and stoned. Yet the essence of Islam is love. Such an activity is a perversion of the religion. and so it goes with all faiths, including Christianity and atheism. Christians alientate homosexuals (Which I believe is a pity) and are overszealous. Atheists and evolutionist often place too little value on human life. I am not saying that you personally do this, however, there are many well documented instances of this. For example, two well known Darwanists wrote a book in which they examined the nature of rape and concluded that it was a natural evolutionary phenomenon. they stated that rape should not be charged as immoral or be dealt with by law (Of course they were men, hehe).

No particular faith in its practice can claim to be perfectly morally superior. Instead, what must be examined is the morality of the faith in its essence.

As for pride: Yeah its a sin, but not only becuase it prevents the need for external validation. The application of being humble has a much more important outlet. You guys value openmindedness I assume, and tolerance? Well with excessive pride, neither of these characteristics have room to take root in the human spirit. Humblness is the ability to admit that you are wrong and that you might need help (In your guys case, from another person. In my case, from God). Does any person totally believe in themselves? Yeah, sometimes certain people do. They have a condition called bipolar disorder. And when they are in their "happy" phase they are so full of pride that they do stupid things. For example, I have friend who is bipolar and she all of a sudden got happy. She was so confident that she got into her car, drove 75 in a 15 mile per hour school zone, overspent by hundreds of dollars becuase she was sure she was a millionare, and refused to study for an important test that she had becuase she was sure that she had the IQ of Einstein. Well, the police pulled her over, the collections agency got on her butt, and she failed the exam. Becuase she had no humilty she put herslf and others in danger. She could not admit her inadeqaucies and ask for help even though she later said that she knew she was out of control. That is an extreme example, but it adequately illustrates the danger of pride.

Basically, Jesus said that you should be humble enough to associate with those who lived lives of depravity (prostituion, the seriously ill, the poor). His intent was for Christians to be servants not only to Him, but to those in need around them. Surely even you guys can admire the latter.



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