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Monday, April 10, 2006

Pianka : the final word

The wonderful libertarian blog Hit and Run has written the final word on the Pianka fiasco. Here is my general message : whacko right-wing IDers and whacko left-wing Greenies, kindly shut the fuck up and read this blog entry.

The conflict between Pianka and his persecutors, most of whom are ID supporters, has been (mis)cast as a war between science and reason on one side, and religious zealotry and superstition on the other. But as I have said before, I think it is in fact a conflict between two different brands of religious zealotry. Commenters at Kos and other left-of-center blogs have gleefully pointed out that the same religious conservatives who voice outrage at Pianka's vision of an agonizing death for 80 to 90% of humanity often embrace the idea of a God who will visit horrific destruction upon the world and punish the disobedient with eternal agony. They are correct, but they miss the point that the irony goes in the other direction, too: the radical environmentalists are as enamored of Armageddon as the more conventional religious extremists. The eco-doomsayers are driven at least as much by their fervent belief that humanity needs to be punished for its sins of greed and luxury as they are by scientifically based concerns.
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The enviro-zealots and the religious zealots are united in their hatred of the human mind, of human freedom and pride; and both long to see humanity crushed under the weight of a superior power, be it God or Nature.


Amen.

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7 Comments:

At 4/10/2006 7:32 PM, Blogger TheJollyNihilist declaimed...

Do you guys believe that:

A. Global warming exists?

B. Global warming is a threat?

Just curious. Thanks.

 
At 4/10/2006 7:51 PM, Blogger The Atheist Messiah declaimed...

I believe global warning is real and can become a serious problem.

I don't particularly care whether humans are greedy or wasteful. The thought had never occured to me that people saw environmentalists as desiring revenge for humankind's wasteful ways. I certainly don't think of the personified "Mother Nature" as acting out vengence for our stupidity or apathy.

I don't think of it as humans going too far to one extreme or the other and upsetting nature's delicate ecosystems either.

My beef is not taking a sensible approach to energy conservation, and not taking the time and money necessary to further understand and benefit from nature.

I do worry about the possibility of Earth ending up like Venus' 300 degree surface temperature. I'm no expert on the subject and I don't know how badly we'd have to fuck up to cause irreversable harm, but I think the time and money to find out is well worth it.

I expect some of you will disagree with me (FRANC, lol), but I don't understand why this is a bad position to take. What info am I missing or not understanding here?

 
At 4/10/2006 8:15 PM, Blogger Francois Tremblay declaimed...

"Do you guys believe that:

A. Global warming exists?"

Yes.


"B. Global warming is a threat?"

Yes.


Of course, expecting a "no" answer to either is a nice straw man that left-wing whackos like you use to downplay the extent of their lies.

 
At 4/10/2006 8:24 PM, Blogger TheJollyNihilist declaimed...

It's amazing to me that some people who I really respect (for example, Penn & Teller) seem to doubt the veracity of global warming. For example, on P&T's show about "Environmental Hysteria," they basically said the science was inconclusive about this topic. While I usually agree with them, I thought that was pretty absurd. The only debate of which I'm aware is the debate as to whether global warming will directly cause another ice age.

I'm really not that much of an environmentalist though. All my environmental positions relate in some way to other political issues about which I care more. For example, I support drilling in ANWR because it will help make us less reliant on Middle Eastern oil. If we are less reliant on Middle Eastern oil, we can take the isolationist military stance of which I'm so desirous.

I'm very much in favor of clean air and clean water restrictions, apart from that, I don't have much common ground with LCV. I don't care about preserving forests, or maintaining habitat, or fighting extinction. My own speciocentricity shines through in my environmental positions.

 
At 4/10/2006 9:47 PM, Blogger Francois Tremblay declaimed...

Don't diss Penn and Teller, dude. They are NEVER wrong. They weren't wrong about that global warming thing either.

 
At 4/11/2006 8:11 AM, Blogger Zachary Moore declaimed...

What, exactly, IS the science on the subject?

 
At 4/11/2006 5:59 PM, Blogger BlackSun declaimed...

I completely agree. Pianka and the peak-oil doom cult are just peddling a different brand of fire and brimstone.

They AND the religious fundamentalists are to be equally derided.

But global warming is real. We should address it out of rational self-interest. Also, even if GW turns out not to be human-caused, reducing human CO2 production would have enormous side-benefits.

 

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