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Friday, March 10, 2006

Question of the Day #31: Animals

Image hosting by PhotobucketI'm probably asking for a novel's worth of answers here, but I'll go for it anyway.

How do we define morality when it comes to other species? Are animals ever subject to human morality? What about pets?

Note: I probably don't need to say this, but I am NOT vegan. I'm a burger eater.

Bonus Question: Would it be wrong to slaughter cows if scientists found a way to make beef grow on trees?

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10 Comments:

At 3/10/2006 11:58 PM, Blogger breakerslion declaimed...

1. I define morality as an artificial construct pertaining to human behavior. Period.

2. Are humans subject to Tau-Cetan morality, assuming a hypothetical Tau-Cetan civilization? This would be equivalent to subjecting animals to human morality. What are the rules of Tau-Cetan morality you ask? Exactly my point. The very act of referring to it as "human morality" is exclusive.

3. What about pets? Anthropomorphism does not a human make.

4. If it is wrong to slaughter cows under those circumstances, then it is wrong to slaughter them now, which it is not. Is it wrong to hunt deer because we grow meat crops of food animals? The application of "right" and "wrong" to these actions merely imposes external opinion on another's behavior. If you are not comfortable performing these acts, then don't.

 
At 3/11/2006 10:40 AM, Blogger Dale Callahan declaimed...

Why should we have morality now? Its just what is right in every mans eyes...right?

If those before us were not bound by laws for murder [survival of the fittest] so that they could progress and continue...why should we worry about it?

 
At 3/11/2006 11:04 AM, Blogger Spud declaimed...

breakerslion said: "If it is wrong to slaughter cows under those circumstances, then it is wrong to slaughter them now, which it is not."

Ah, if only the real world were that easy ... of course, plenty of people *do* think that it is wrong: simply affirming something doesn't make it so, alas. (Although it's very popular with the ID crowd, I hear).

 
At 3/11/2006 12:18 PM, Blogger Dale Callahan declaimed...

Spud said "simply affirming something doesn't make it so, alas. (Although it's very popular with the ID crowd, I hear).

I find this error is also very popular with atheists and natural materialists. They simply affirm naturalism...saying that logic, and uniformity work because its just that way...the world just works like that.

Both the atheist and the Christian want to use logic but both cannot justify why they do.

I do not believe that all camps within the Christian camp can consistently defend "the faith"...but I do believe that the Bible does consistently explain why we have logic, uniformity in nature and laws of morality [or any kind].

The Bible also explains why you can have men who are very bright in their intellect...and yet are incredible fools because they set their intellect up as the highest authority and judge everything by it.

The Bible also explains why men can know the truth [about the Triune God] and yet profess not to know Him...it is their rebellious, sinful mindset.

Those who hold to the Intelligent Designer theory is simply idolaters. I do not have to piece work my way up to the Triune God...He has already clearly revealed Himself...to such an extent that noone will have an excuse for their unbelief and rebellion on the day of Judgement.

 
At 3/11/2006 1:15 PM, Blogger Francois Tremblay declaimed...

"Ah, if only the real world were that easy ... of course, plenty of people *do* think that it is wrong: simply affirming something doesn't make it so, alas."

What are you, some kind of cultural subjectivist ? Just because people say things doesn't make it true. Get outta here you moron.

 
At 3/11/2006 7:04 PM, Blogger breakerslion declaimed...

"Ah, if only the real world were that easy ... of course, plenty of people *do* think that it is wrong: simply affirming something doesn't make it so, alas."

No, it doesn't, and your argument cuts both ways, idiot.

If I locked you (or a Vegan)in a room and starved you for five days, then threw in a rat, you would devour it. Either that, or die of ideological stupidity. Sometimes the world is a lot simpler than the human mind insists on making it.

It is not wrong to raise animals and slaughter them for food because "right" and "wrong" are not concepts that can be applied to feeding, or claiming a spot in the food chain. Again I say, if it bothers you, don't do it, but mind your own damn business.

 
At 3/11/2006 7:18 PM, Blogger breakerslion declaimed...

And if you pull cannibalism out of your ass to support your lame argument, I'll have to hunt you down and hurt you.

 
At 3/12/2006 9:56 AM, Blogger Spud declaimed...

Woooooo, touched a nerve there, eh kids?

 
At 3/12/2006 11:45 AM, Blogger Hellbound Alleee declaimed...

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At 3/12/2006 11:53 AM, Blogger Hellbound Alleee declaimed...

" Why should we have morality now? Its just what is right in every mans eyes...right?"

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