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Friday, December 30, 2005

Polls ! Polls ! Polls !

"Poll: Elbow Room No Problem in Heaven"

Vast majorities of Americans believe in heaven and think they're headed there. But elbow room won't be a problem: About eight in 10 believers envision heaven as a place where people exist only spiritually, not physically.

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Who gets in is another matter. Among people who believe in heaven, one in four thinks access is limited to Christians. More than a third of Protestants feel that way, and this view peaks at 55 percent among Protestants who describe themselves as very religious.

Among all adults, 79 percent are Christians, 14 percent have no religion, and the rest, 5 percent, are non-Christians. Among Christian groups, Catholics account for 21 percent of adults; evangelical Protestants, 19 percent; and non-evangelical Protestants, 13 percent.



Poll says U.S. majority believes in God

The Harris poll of 889 adults found 82 percent believe in God, 73 percent believe in miracles and 70 percent believe there is life after death, the Washington Times reported.

In addition, 70 percent said heaven exists and 70 percent also cited Jesus as the son of God.

Six out of 10 said there is a devil and hell exists as well, the poll revealed.

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13 Comments:

At 12/30/2005 3:51 PM, Blogger vjack declaimed...

I get depressed whenever I see poll results like these. 82% of Americans believe in superstitious nonsense! So sad. Of course, I can't help but wonder how many have ever given their beliefs any thought and how many just say they believe because they don't know any different.

 
At 12/30/2005 4:57 PM, Blogger bleedingisaac declaimed...

1) Were you an objectivist when you wrote, "The most rigorous philosophical system is Objectivism. It is the only such system based on explicit and valid axioms and deductions, which makes it the most reliable guide to a healthy relationship with reality."

2) If you were an objectivist, it seems that you are no longer. What "major points" of objectivism do you disagree with now?

 
At 12/30/2005 5:44 PM, Blogger Aaron Kinney declaimed...

ONLY 82%? Wow thats actually good news. That means that technically 18% of America is atheistic, regardless of whether or not they think of themselves as one. Thats alot higher than I previously thought.

Bleedingissac, Franc was an objectivist back in the day but is not now. Why are you so concerned about it?

 
At 12/30/2005 5:48 PM, Blogger Aaron Kinney declaimed...

Okay, since Franc hasnt answered your questions and you keep asking them, and since Im curious as to what youre getting at, I think I will try to answer on Franc's behalf.

Of course, these are only provisional answers that can be overruled by Franc at any time, since the answers are about him.

1) yes
2) none

Satisfied?

 
At 12/30/2005 5:50 PM, Blogger Francois Tremblay declaimed...

Aaron : I trust that you know me enough to answer these morons appropriately, if that's what you want. ;)

 
At 12/30/2005 6:17 PM, Blogger bleedingisaac declaimed...

Aaron,

Thanks, but it seems ridiculous that you would have to answer for him. Look at my original comment and see if there is any hint of personal attack in it. I only wanted him to clarify two seemingly contradictory statements. His response was to call me an asshole, robot, and fundie (only the first of these is true).

That said, maybe you can further clarify Francois' position since he is unwilling to.

You said that he was an objectivist when he wrote the quote I pasted above. Francois, however, wrote in his "On the attacks against this blog" post that he never claimed to be an objectivist ("Flash news : I never claimed to be an Objectivist").

So, are you correct in saying that Francois once was an Objectivist or is Francois correct in saying that he never claimed to be an Objectivist? If Francois was never an Objectivist, what did he mean by his quote?

As to my second question (i.e. What "major points" of objectivism do you disagree with?), you answered, "none."

In the midst of insulting me, Francois said, "I don't need to adhere to a system [i.e. Objectivism] that I don't agree with on major points."

So, according to him, there are "major points" about objectivism that he doesn't agree with. You say that there are no major points of objectivism that he disagrees with.

I still don't seem to have an answer to my questions.

Aaron, I do appreciate your attempts at reconciliation. You seem like a cool guy. We have disagreed with each other before, but it was amicable.

Francois may be nice to you, but look how he responds to others. He is completely incapable of having a civil conversation with someone with which he disagrees. I just like to antagonize him, and will probably continue to do so until I get bored with it (which is coming fast).

I do thank you for your attempted answers, but I feel my questions still remain unanswered.

So, I have to ask:

Francois,

1) Were you an objectivist when you wrote, "The most rigorous philosophical system is Objectivism. It is the only such system based on explicit and valid axioms and deductions, which makes it the most reliable guide to a healthy relationship with reality."

2) If you were an objectivist, it seems that you are no longer. What "major points" of objectivism do you disagree with now?

 
At 12/31/2005 11:37 AM, Blogger mathyoo declaimed...

what would be interesting is to see how the percentages have changed in the past 50 or so years. Also, I've seen an article on a similar poll that says that while approximately 14% of the general population has "no religion", it goes down to under 10% for those over 65 and up to around 25% for those under 25.

 
At 12/31/2005 7:01 PM, Blogger Aaron Kinney declaimed...

Blah blah blah Isaac.

Franc doesnt want to answer you because he doesnt want to give you any satisfaction with a response.

I DO want to answer you because I want you to stop with this broken record baby bullshit. My answering you is an attempt to shut you up.

And if you havent noticed, the rest of the atheist community has moved on from this spat thats been going on. So why dont you catch up to today and drop it?

Finally, the answers I gave you were correct.

 
At 12/31/2005 7:51 PM, Blogger Paul Manata declaimed...

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At 12/31/2005 7:52 PM, Blogger Paul Manata declaimed...

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At 12/31/2005 7:55 PM, Blogger Paul Manata declaimed...

AK: "Finally, the answers I gave you were correct"

BI: "2) If you were an objectivist, it seems that you are no longer. What "major points" of objectivism do you disagree with now?"

AK: Kinney for Tremblay answers, "2) none."

FT: Francois said, "I don't need to adhere to a system [i.e. Objectivism] that I don't agree with on major points."

AK: "Finally, the answers I gave you were correct."

AK: "Finally, the answers I gave you were correct."

AK: "Finally, the answers I gave you were correct."

AK: "Finally, the answers I gave you were correct."

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I know I'm a dumb theist, but I still can't figure this out. It seems to me that there are some inconsistencies within the "atheistic community." Maybe you guys can settle this and come to terms so that the world will know that you are unified.

 
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