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Friday, December 30, 2005

Hopefully my last post on this (crossed fingers)

On Aaron's advice, I have decided to erase the enemies list. I trust his advice, although I don't think it's the best thing to do myself. My problem right now is that I really don't see any other way to attract eyeballs than the two atheist carnivals we have, and creating controversy. Although I'd like to be friend with anyone, I still think we can be controversial and question each other without personal attacks. But it seems I'm wrong on that, if I am to believe the results of my attempts so far.

The fact is, as long as this blog is snubbed or attacked by big-time bloggers like Raving Atheist or Evangelistic Atheist, it'll never go anywhere. I think that's pretty clear by now. Carnivals have a long-lasting effect, but it is relatively small, and controversy seems to make the situation worse.

Seth on Kindgom of Heathen thinks I made the right decision by taking off the "shit list", and agrees about Raving Atheist. I have to say I'm pretty happy to see someone actually acknowledge what's going on and concede that I'm not an imbecile. Thank you Seth for your even-handed support.

So where does this lead us ? Well, I have plenty of great future entries in store (right now my drafts extend to early April), and that's never gonna change. This blog is here to stay. Whether it'll have any impact on anything is another matter.

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15 Comments:

At 12/30/2005 1:32 AM, Blogger bleedingisaac declaimed...

1) Were you an objectivist when you wrote, "The most rigorous philosophical system is Objectivism. It is the only such system based on explicit and valid axioms and deductions, which makes it the most reliable guide to a healthy relationship with reality."

2) If you were an objectivist, it seems that you are no longer. What "major points" of objectivism do you disagree with now?

 
At 12/30/2005 5:10 AM, Blogger BlackSun declaimed...

Good move. Ignore the idiots and keep on writing.

 
At 12/30/2005 9:59 AM, Blogger bleedingisaac declaimed...

You wrote: "I still think we can be controversial and question each other without personal attacks."

You're such a fucking hypocrite! YOU are the one that always starts the personal attacks!

Let's take our current argument as it is indicative of most of your problems. Look at my original comment. I asked you to explain your statement that you are not an objectivist in light of another of your posts in which you say that Objectivism is "The most rigorous philosophical system" and "the most reliable guide to a healthy relationship with reality"

Your response to my question? You called me an asshole, a robot, and a fundie. You told me to get the fuck off of your blog.

Now, it just so happens that I am an asshole, but I'm neither a robot (I don't say of any philosophical system that it is "the most reliable guide to a healthy relationship with reality") nor a fundie (I'm an atheist who holds to no one philosophical system and could care less if anyone attacks them).

More people might like you if you would stop attacking them first and were not a uninteresting, whining, crying, attention-seeking, arrogant, pimple-faced, fat fuck.

And by the way:

1) Were you an objectivist when you wrote, "The most rigorous philosophical system is Objectivism. It is the only such system based on explicit and valid axioms and deductions, which makes it the most reliable guide to a healthy relationship with reality."

2) If you were an objectivist, it seems that you are no longer. What "major points" of objectivism do you disagree with now?

 
At 12/30/2005 11:07 AM, Blogger Paul Manata declaimed...

Hey Franc, after you answer bleedinisaac's questions, can you answer my post?

http://presstheantithesis.blogspot.com/2005/04/tremblay-on-transcendental-arguments.html

thanks

 
At 12/30/2005 11:12 AM, Blogger Paul Manata declaimed...

btw, didn't mean to leave bleedinisaac out:

On his blog he wrote:

isaac:"If the brain is clearly and demonstrably responsible for some aspects of a person's identity, personality, and behavior, it does not seem unreasonable to assume that the brain is responsible for all aspects of a person's identity, personality, and behavior."


Me: If 1 lego of a 500 foot lego statue of liberty weighs one ounce, it does not seem unreasonable to assume that the entire 500 foot lego statue of liberty weighs one ounce!

:-)

 
At 12/30/2005 11:30 AM, Blogger breakerslion declaimed...

Fun crowd. I guess I'm not "controversial" enough to have these kind of problems. Not that I'm complaining.

If I wasn't so cynical, it might surprise me how they descended on you the minute you did something that could be (repeat, could be ) construed as showing weakness. Some things never change. What does surprise me is that they can alternately call you a dick and an asshole. I think they need to rent "Team America" for a philosophy lesson.

I'm going to go now, and add a link to this blog on my site. I've been skewing your stats by hopping through Alleee's blog, so I'll stop being lazy and bookmark you too.

Cheers!

 
At 12/30/2005 11:45 AM, Blogger bleedingisaac declaimed...

Paul,

Paste your comment on my blog and I'll comment there. You're making a false analogy that I'll point out there (later today).

 
At 12/30/2005 1:46 PM, Blogger Francois Tremblay declaimed...

Thanks blacksun and breakerslion for your support. These fundies are funny aren't they ?

 
At 12/30/2005 1:47 PM, Blogger MichaelBains declaimed...

If 1 lego of a 500 foot lego statue of liberty weighs one ounce, it does not seem unreasonable to assume that the entire 500 foot lego statue of liberty weighs one ounce!

My math may be insufficient, but wouldn't you need to know how many Legos® were involved in a 500' Lego® SoL and then use some actual multiplication to determine the weight? Maybe you just need to have "faith" that your answer is correct.

Ahhh... Theistic math. It makes everything else about the phenomenon so clear.

This blog is here to stay.

Excellent! As I've read from others Francois, you're a bit easy to dislike at moments, but your arguments are quite sound in their essentials and you're obviously a smart guy. Just try to remember that Dude is not only the RAVING Atheist. He's a self-described Unaborted Atheist as well.

Blog on Franc. The online atheist community is better for your vocal presence!

 
At 12/30/2005 2:08 PM, Blogger Francois Tremblay declaimed...

MichaelBains : thank you for your nice comments - it makes me glad to see some hands extended across the blogsphere. As for the quote you gave, which no doubt comes from one of our two retarded fundie friends, it commits the fallacy of composition. Hope that helps. ;)

 
At 12/30/2005 2:37 PM, Blogger bleedingisaac declaimed...

Pimple-faced, fat fuck:

1) Were you an objectivist when you wrote, "The most rigorous philosophical system is Objectivism. It is the only such system based on explicit and valid axioms and deductions, which makes it the most reliable guide to a healthy relationship with reality."

2) If you were an objectivist, it seems that you are no longer. What "major points" of objectivism do you disagree with now?

 
At 12/30/2005 5:47 PM, Blogger Aaron Kinney declaimed...

Hey, Paul Manata is back! Whats new Paul? Long time no see. Just saying hi :)

 
At 12/30/2005 8:48 PM, Blogger Paul Manata declaimed...

bains said,

"My math may be insufficient, but wouldn't you need to know how many Legos® were involved in a 500' Lego® SoL and then use some actual multiplication to determine the weight? Maybe you just need to have "faith" that your answer is correct."

I was pointing out that the argument commited the fallacy of composition. I was not seriously contending that the statue weighed an ounce. When someone argues from the parts to the whole, the commit a fallacy.

"Ahhh... Theistic math. It makes everything else about the phenomenon so clear."

If you seriously thought I was saying the staue weighed an ouce you need to take a course in thinking the best of people. Why would I think that unless you have an axe to gring with theists? ANyway, now that you see what i was doing an apology would be nice. If not, I'll be content in the fact the the public atheist community just saw that a stupid theist at least undertands elementary text book fallacys. :-)

 
At 12/31/2005 4:44 PM, Blogger mathyoo declaimed...

There are more than two carnivals out there, and atheist-only carnivals are only going to get the eyballs of atheists who surf the blogosphere. Some of the more interesting carnivals like God or Not seem pretty promising, since they include a broader range of folks and more likely far more eyeballs than we atheists can attract on our own.

 
At 12/31/2005 6:08 PM, Blogger Francois Tremblay declaimed...

You mean there is another atheist carnival, after Carnival of the Godless and God or Not ? Which one is that ?

 

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