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Thursday, November 10, 2005

Spittle spills over HA / Which Christian is right ?

Am I intolerent ? Yes, yes I am. I am intolerent against all belief systems that undermine the importance of life and independent, critical thought. I am intolerent of Christianity, as well as most religions, intolerent of most political positions, intolerent of cults and other organizations that try to subvert the individual. Unfortunately for some of our fans at the Hellbound Alleee Show, that also includes liberalism. We've had a "Why Liberals are Wrong" show recently which made some people uncomfortable.

Mark Spittle, of the blog Spittle and Ink, has retracted his considerable and much appreciated support because of that show. He's intolerent. I don't begrudge him that. However, the question arises : who's right ? I think our show speaks for itself.

I don't want to point fingers as much as I'd like to point out that, if we keep dividing ourselves instead of trying to promote atheism, nothing new we do is going to take off. Competition is vital, but competition cannot exist without cooperation. I do tit-for-tat - you help us, I help you, you hurt us, I tell you to go to hell. I think that's fair.

According to the Christianity FAQ, there is a wide variety of Christian sects and groups, including but not limited to :

Amish, Anabaptism, Assemblies of God, Baptists, Calvinism, Christadelphians, Christian Identity, Church Universal and Triumphant, Church of Christ, Church of England, Congregationalism, Coptic Christianity, Eastern Orthodox, Episcopal Church, Ethiopian Christianity, IURD, Jehovah's Witnesses, Lutheran Church, Maronites, Mennonites, Methodism, Old Catholic Movement, Pentecostal Church, People's Temple, Pilgrims, Presbyterian Church, Protestant, Puritanism, Quakers, Roman Catholicism, Shakers, Spiritual Baptists, Thomas Christians, Unification Church, Unitarianism, United Church of Christ, Unitarian Universalist,
Adamites, adoptionism, Albigenses, antinomianism, Apollinarianism, Arianism, Cathars, Docetism, Donatism, Ebionites, Jansenism, Lapsed Christians, Lollards, Manicheism, monophysite, Montanism, Nestorianism, Pelagianism, Waldenses,
those without churches : Freemasonry, Rosicrucianism and Salvation Army,
and ideologies which can be present in various churches, such as : Acoemetae, Adelophagi, Adventist Movement, amillennialism, Arminian Theology, Augustinians, Benedictines, Cahenslyism, Capuchins, Carmelites, dispensationalism, Dominicans, Evangelicalism, Franciscans, fundamentalism, Gnosticism, Huguenots, Hutterites, Liberation Theology, Mainline Protestant, Mendicant Orders, Neo-Orthodoxy, Pietism, postmillennialism, Primitivism, Quietism, Sabbatarianism, staret, premillennialism, Scholasticism, Thomism, Transcendentalism, Trinitarianism, and Universalism.

Which one of these is right ? Any given Christian probably thinks a lot of these sects are wrong. Everyone thinks a different sect is wrong. Of course, every single one of them has theologians taking verses from the Bible that prove their sect is the only right one.

And read the second half of my article on memetics and Christianity, below. Thank you !

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At 11/10/2005 9:12 AM, Blogger Bahnsen Burner declaimed...

Franc: "...if we keep dividing ourselves instead of trying to promote atheism..."

Promoting atheism as such is not a solution to anything, for atheism is, as you know, simply a negative. It tells us what one does not believe, but leaves completely open what one might believe or affirm. If one simply adopts atheism as his guiding principle, there's nothing to stop him from adopting a secular variation on religious themes (cf. communism).

The solution is to promote rationality, which being an atheist does not guarantee. When was the last time you saw a junior high curriculum offering a course called Reason 101? They teach math, language, science, art, even religion. But presumably youngsters are supposed to "just know" reason, which is a sorry contradiction in terms.


At 11/10/2005 9:49 AM, Blogger Mark Spittle declaimed...

In the event that your fans dont want their intelligence insulted, they might want to go read the post that resulted in your ads being pulled, to learn that it was actually not the show that did it, but instead your unusually hostile reaction to constructive criticism. That you've had to resort to lying to prove your point is telling.

Here's the link:

In the event that the thread "disappears" from the forum board, I've got saved copies ready.

For the record, I was supporting you and getting nothing in return. For my trouble, I got flamed on your board. As a "radical capitalist" I would expect you to understand that I probably shouldn't be handing out freebies at all anyway -- it's bad business -- and certainly have the right to yank that support when I get shit on. You're always free to BUY an ad, of course, in lieu of my social welfare handouts.

Mark Spittle

At 11/10/2005 10:31 AM, Blogger VanTilsGhost declaimed...'re kind of a spaz at times...I just read thru that thread, and you really jumped on him from the start...

I know you don't care what I think, or anyone you interact seem to like being a spaz...and admittedly, it is kind of fun to watch. :)

At 11/10/2005 1:22 PM, Blogger Niels declaimed...

Yes, Bahnsen, it's all about rationality, and Franc an Alison made that clear in the thread also.

Franc isn't a spaz. How else could you possibly respond to someone who says libertarianism is 'anti-science' and libertarianism is anarchy.

At 11/10/2005 2:43 PM, Blogger VanTilsGhost declaimed...

neils said:

"Franc isn't a spaz. How else could you possibly respond to someone who says libertarianism is 'anti-science' and libertarianism is anarchy."

I didn't say a peep about mark's opinions...simply that Franc is a spaz. I doubt he'd deny that. :)

At 11/10/2005 2:47 PM, Blogger Mark Spittle declaimed...

Except my comments on libertarianism being antiscience (which you failed to refute) came FOUR POSTS AFTER Franc called me stupid and revealed his phobia of "liberal books."

So Franc has to lie to support his point, and you have to re-order history to defend your master.

What have we learned here? Some folks are grossly ill-equipped to debate things.

Others are just dorks.

I'll let you decide which category you fit into.

At 11/10/2005 3:37 PM, Blogger Niels declaimed...

Dude, just give it up. We don't care that you are trying to insult us.

At 11/10/2005 4:16 PM, Blogger Mark Spittle declaimed...

I accept your surrender.

Good man. There will be a place for you in my afterlife. I can't promise you won't be poked with hot sticks, though.

At 11/10/2005 4:59 PM, Blogger Francois Tremblay declaimed...

"Promoting atheism as such is not a solution to anything, for atheism is, as you know, simply a negative."

True. As you know, what I really tell people to do is promote individualism first and foremost.

At 11/10/2005 5:00 PM, Blogger Francois Tremblay declaimed...

No one ever said I was a "spaz" before. I didn't jump on him, he started whining that I insulted him first, even though no such insult was apparent. It's not my fault if Spittle doesn't understand basic english.

I wonder why he's posting here, by the way... I certainly don't care what he has to say. Does anyone ?

At 11/12/2005 8:33 PM, Blogger Mark Spittle declaimed...

To point out your need to lie, rather than use facts, science or logic, to make your points.

And to call you an inarticulate hypocritical spacklejockey.



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