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Sunday, October 23, 2005

Question of the Day #5

Why are all “ex-atheist” testimonies (at least, all the ones I've ever read) actually testimonies from people who were mad at religion, "hated God", or otherwise accepted the existence of God ?

Give your answer in the comments.

(Here's another idea : perhaps there ARE ex-atheists, but they are not as vocal. But why would they be less vocal ?)

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At 10/24/2005 12:51 AM, Blogger Aaron Kinney declaimed...

Because the Bible says that everyone knows that God is real at conception. They are all lying to themselves! And assuming that these atheist testimonies were real and genuine (which most probably arent) they would, after converting to Christianity, come to this conclusion about their own past and would commit a bit of Big Brother 1984ish revisionism and doublethink.

They would tell themselves "yes, I was mad at God, I must have been!"

Personally Im not mad at God. Im mad at the idiotic sheep herders who dreamt this bullshit up.

At 10/24/2005 10:37 AM, Blogger mathyoo declaimed...

I hate to commit the "no true scotsman" fallacy, but it seems to me that those peope were never "real atheists" in the sense that they truly lost their belief in deities. Just as C.S. Lewis' supposed "atheism" and later reconversion is touted so often by christians, most of the "atheists" that I've heard of reconverting "lost" their belief due to a traumatic event like the loss of a loved one, and often regained their faith after another event. I have yet to hear of someone becoming an atheist due to careful consideration and much pondering of the evidence (and lack thereof) and then reconverting to theism based on yet more consideration and pondering.

At 10/24/2005 11:04 AM, Blogger Qalmlea declaimed...

Well... Here goes then.

I became an atheist when I started looking at what the church's doctrine actually said, and it made no sense. I became a Taoist (eventually) after discovering the Tao te Ching and deciding that it did make sense. If you equate belief in Tao with belief in God, then I am a counter-example. However, Tao has little in common with the God described by most Christians.

At 10/24/2005 3:18 PM, Blogger Atheist Bill declaimed...

I've been moderating a fairly large online forum for a few years now. It is an interesting forum because it brings together a lot of different types of people from all different sorts of backgrounds who, for the most part, get along quite well.

One of the subjects that pops up every once in a while on these forums is Atheism and although I generally stay out of the Science and Philosophy section (moves way too fast for my apathy to keep up with), I do try to keep an eye out for these threads on Atheism.

It has been my experience that the term "Atheism" is largely misunderstood, even by some people claiming themselves to be Atheist. A lot of the loudest and most obnoxious of these are either Agnostics (people who believe that you cannot prove, nor disprove the existance of God), or non-theists (people who just don't think about religion much, if any).

Most of these "ex-Atheists" are actually non-theists. They aren't people who believed there was no God, they just didn't care to think about it. Their theistic indifference has led them to mislabeling themselves as former Atheists.

I think you'll find that upon questioning these people that they aren't even all that knowledgable of their newfound religion. I'm sure you've heard some of Bob Smith's interviews and read his hate mail, and he has run into plenty of people who fit this description of former non-theists, now clueless Christians.

At 10/24/2005 8:37 PM, Blogger Bahnsen Burner declaimed...

The point that we need to remember is that atheism as such, while it is a necessary precondition to rationality, is not a sufficient precondition to rationality. One can be an atheist and still be irrational. A major part of the problem is the tacit acceptance of metaphysical subjectivism which afflicts many atheists. Atheists are not immune to subjectivism by virtue of their atheism. That's why I think the so-called "antithesis between belief and non-belief" is completely misguided. It's also why it's fallacious for Christian apologists to say that (for instance) Stalinism is a direct consequence of adopting "the atheist worldview." The real issue is whether or not a thinker has consciously adopted the objective orientation between himself as subject and the world of objects around him. One can be an atheist and still adopt a worldview in which the subject of cognition holds metaphysical primacy over its objects. As I pointed out to Paul Manata, Christianity is only one variant of metaphysical subjectivism. The bible's own words are good against the bible's worldview: "Wide is the gate to destruction."

At 10/25/2005 12:09 PM, Blogger Charlie declaimed...

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At 10/25/2005 1:35 PM, Blogger Aaron Kinney declaimed...

Charlie, your post was totally off topic, way too long, and full of shit to boot. Keep your miserable communism where it belongs: in third world countries. Over here we prefer our prosperity thank you very much.


At 10/25/2005 2:38 PM, Blogger Charlie declaimed...

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At 10/25/2005 4:07 PM, Blogger Aaron Kinney declaimed...

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At 10/29/2005 10:12 AM, Blogger Mr. Neil declaimed...

"I hate to commit the "no true scotsman" fallacy, but it seems to me that those peope were never 'real atheists' in the sense that they truly lost their belief in deities."

I don't know about that. Personally, I think that you're either a theist or you aren't. There's none of this "true atheist" or "true Christian" nonsense. Indeed, they were just as true in their atheism as we are.

However, I would add that they were never very good rationalists. If they were so weak in their rational thinking as to be stripped of the confidence in their cognitive faculties, then no wonder they retreated to theism.

These people, once atheists, were tragically intellectually defeated.

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