Question of the Day #1
Why do Christians cry at funerals ? And what, if anything, does this tell us about their values ?
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Jesus loves you and this is how you treat him!
This can not stand.
It tells us that, deep down, they're instinctually materialists.
Jesus loves me...but I make him wear a condom...
sounds like you have "issues". I looked at your blog, but saw no Truth, or even much in the way of truth. perhaps you're using a differen dictionary than I am?
sam: "Jesus loves you and this is how you treat him!"
If Jesus loves me, why doesn't he appear to me like he did for Saul of Tarsus?
Yes, this is a serious question for Christians to consider.
This exchange is really funny...
Why dont you stop trolling and answer the question in the blog post Sam? Afraid of something are you?
To answer the question: They lament the death, and mourn the fact that the person is no longer in this existence. Whether or not the Christians really believe that there is an afterlife or not, they consider it a bad thing that the person lost his material life and has passed on to whatever does or does not exist after life is over.
Christians comfort themselves by telling eachother that death doesnt mean that your consciousness ceases to exist. When they cry at a funeral, I think it exposes their true subconscious beliefs: that they dont REALLY believe that consciousness continues after death.
they also cry because the death of someone always reminds us of our own mortality...
I'm not asking the questions in order to get a certain answer, by the way. I think these questions can be debated. Of course, I have my own opinions, but this is one of the rare occasions where I'll shut up.
No, I think this is an excellent question. According to Christianity, a person who dies in Christ escapes the pain of this world to experience eternal Paradise. For a Christian, a funeral should be a celebration of the highest order- the deceased is now quite literally standing in the presence of Jesus Christ. So why do Christians cry at the funerals of their own? Obviously, those feelings are virtually unavoidable and instinctive. I think they speak to our innate understanding of reality as purely material. Even Christians, self-deluding to the end (almost), make this subconscious concession.
Christians cry because they compartmentalize their belief system.
It is obvious that they should not cry at all, because they think that their loved-one has "graduated" from corrupt nature into the superior spirit world. But they cry nevertheless, because they know that they have indeed lost a loved one. They cry as functional atheists.
...unless they are crying because their loved ones beat them to Happy Land.
This blog is not doing anything to Jesus. You see, the contributors to this blog are what is called "atheists." That means that they do not believe in gods. Therefore, if we use our thinking caps, we understand that they are not doing anything to Jesus, as he is either dead, or nothing but a character. Even if he were dead, he would still not exist, so nothing can possibly be done to him.
It's fun to think!
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Hell yea Dave Harty!
I heard about that on NoBS radio. Sweeeeeet!
Bahnsen Burner asked and stated:
"If Jesus loves me, why doesn't he appear to me like he did for Saul of Tarsus?
Yes, this is a serious question for Christians to consider."
Atheist Smasher responds: Just like I whooped you in your contradictions thread, I'll, again, help you out by showing how sin has affected your mind and causes you to reason so poorly.
Like in the walking contradiction post you were embarrassed because you asked how one entity could have two entities. I responded by showing that one entity (sandwhich) can have two entites (penut butter and jelly). Your *only* response was to make fun of me and say that I worshipped a sandwhich. That's fallacious.
Now, I again embarrass you:
If you love your mom why don't you have sex with her like you do your wife?
Yes, this is a serious question for Atheists to consider.
why do atheists cry when their friends die but not when their computer dies? They're both just atoms in motion.
Sir, I guess you don't mind if sick men touch little girls; afterall, we touch our keys on our keyboard, it's all atoms anyway.
Manata, you're still here ? You do know we're not talking about you any more, right ? There's really nothing keeping you here.
A collection of atoms in a state of maximum entropy does not merit moral concern, but that same ensemble rearranged in the form of a child most certainly does. The concern is not for the constituent particles, but for the pattern.
Nice assertion.
Anyway, what about a robot child? That's atoms in the "pattern" of a child, so I guess you can't screw your blow up dolly girl anymore. And, stop playing with your sister's Barbies, or does size matter?
I don't hold to your theories about the world, so your questions mean squat to me.
The propositional content of the Bible is what matters, and propositions are not material since they can be instantiated in more than one particular place at the same time.
Anyway, who says the "pattern" matters? You? So you're a subjectivist? Or, is this some universal moral law? But is that law material? No. So I guess you have no universal absolute standard of morality. Now, feel free to cry when you clip your green toenails and to laugh when your buddies die.
Maybe it's better to ask actual Christians. The rational world obviously provides sufficient answers.
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No, not reformed, *THIS* was hillarious:
" I do believe that a pattern, be it made out of silicon chips or Legos, which could replicate all of the complexity of human behavior, would be worthy of moral respect."
Project: Give me the necessray and sufficient conditions for having "complex human behavior" which is what warrants being "worthy of moral respect."
I'm sorry you had to make fun of my points and imply sick and twisted intentions on my part. If you can't deal with the force of the argument then say so, but making fun is a logical fallacy.
Oh, not reformed, didn't you find this post of mine funyy also:
Bahnsen Burner asked and stated:
"If Jesus loves me, why doesn't he appear to me like he did for Saul of Tarsus?
Yes, this is a serious question for Christians to consider."
Atheist Smasher responds: Just like I whooped you in your contradictions thread, I'll, again, help you out by showing how sin has affected your mind and causes you to reason so poorly.
Like in the walking contradiction post you were embarrassed because you asked how one entity could have two entities. I responded by showing that one entity (sandwhich) can have two entites (penut butter and jelly). Your *only* response was to make fun of me and say that I worshipped a sandwhich. That's fallacious.
Now, I again embarrass you:
If you love your mom why don't you have sex with her like you do your wife?
Yes, this is a serious question for Atheists to consider.
LOL, that was pretty funny also, huh?
Good, I can take it that reason won out here. All NR can say about my posts is something that has nothing to do with them, and Thomas has been reduced to mere ridicule.
More empirical proof of the Bible, guys: "Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?"
You guys are the biggest reason people stay Christians. I love how God uses you atheists as means of confirming our worldview. See, even though you guys hate God, he still uses you. You have purpose and meaning.
Oh yeah, NR, didn't you run away from my debate challenge? What, your level of argumentation is not above "that of the Westminster Theological Seminary?"
Now, again, I was hilarious! LOL
ooooooooooo Thomas,
Project: Give me the necessray and sufficient conditions for having "complex human behavior" which is what warrants being "worthy of moral respect."
hmmm, so you want to debate about when Jesus called people sons of the devil, white washed tombes, fools, broods of vipers, stiff-necked, wicked people, and since He inspired the whole Bible we can add: fools, darkened minds, morons, dead sinners, God haters, lovers of death, law-breakers, etc etc etc?
Okay, you loose :-)
Paul asked: "If you love your mom why don't you have sex with her like you do your wife?"
Because I don't want to, and I don't think she wants to either. And even she did, I wouldn't want to.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch...
Paul, I noticed that you nowhere addressed my question. Perhaps you forgot it while hoping to harangue me, so I'll ask it again:
If Jesus loves me, why doesn't he appear to me like he did for Saul of Tarsus?
I await a Christian response.
Dawson Asked: "If Jesus loves me, why doesn't he appear to me like he did for Saul of Tarsus?"
Paul responds: Dawson, if you love your mom, why don't you have sex with her like you do for your wife?
Dawson, you really need to quit hanging around Sansone, didn;t my denate wiht him teach you anything?
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