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Wednesday, September 14, 2005

"Atheist liberal"

Why do most atheists consider themselves liberal (in the American, left-wing sense) ? The liberals and the conservatives fulfill the roles of "rebels" and "establishment", and so people think it's some kind of meaningful choice. Atheists probably tend to be liberal simply because they are more freethinking, and thus they align with the "rebel" stereotype.

While there are fanatics, I doubt most of them honestly believe in liberalism. All the atheists I know who thought they were liberals quickly saw that they weren't, after a small conversation. Of course, it's a very small sample. But it wouldn't surprise me if most atheists were liberal simply out of stereotype or convention.

Is liberalism "freethinking" ? Quite the opposite. To think freely is to set oneself apart from collectivist belief systems based on dogma or emotionalism. But liberalism is a collectivist belief system based on emotionalism. So is conservatism, for that matter, but most atheists already understand why conservatism must be rejected, so I won't expand any energy in that direction. Rather, I'll concentrate on liberalism.

To define it, liberalism is a political position characterized by syndicalism, the Welfare state (based on forced redistribution of wealth), tribalism and support for "environmentalism" (meaning : subordinating society to nature). Its ideological underpinnings are utilitarianism, "common good" collectivism, cultural relativism, and pseudo-science.

Christianity and liberalism are both dedicated to an unrelenting, organized attack against scientific progress and its strict adherence to the facts. To the Christian, this adherence to facts (in favour of Neo-Darwinism, stem cell research, abortion and euthanasia vs the "soul", secular values instead of the Ten Commandments) goes in the face of blind belief in a deity. To the liberal, this adherence to facts (in favour of GM foods, technology vs tribalism, climate science vs liberal pseudo-climatology, against the bungling of studies to support government regulation such as anti-smoking laws) goes in the face of blind belief in the "common good". In the most extreme form of liberalism in the academia, post-modernism, this is manifested as a wholesale rejection of science in favour of inter-personal, racial, feminist, or Marxist "liberation".

Both have no problems with pious lying or violence in the name of their "ideals" (liberal greenie activism right now is considered the most dangerous terrorist movement in the Unites States - groups such as the Animal Liberation Front (ALF), the Earth Liberation Front (ELF), and Earth First!).

Christianity is founded on the sacrifice of individual values in the name of an almighty God/faith. Liberalism is founded on the sacrifice of individual values in the name of an almighty state/democracy/"common good". The only difference is that religion is often spurred by personal experience and is thus generally more personal in nature than political beliefs. But this is a relatively small difference in the face of their gigantic similarities. To most of the reasons to be religious (except the "afterlife"), one can draw a similar liberal parallel.

Insofar as the goal of evangelism should be to free the individual to express his personal values, the consequence is obvious : we should also try to free people from the liberal belief system. If we are to define the most basic worldview based on freethought, as I think most atheists accept, we have to add liberalism and conservatism to the list of dogmas to reject, and preach that the individual should be free to express his values without being coerced by social institutions - whether that institution is a church, a castle or a parliament makes very little difference for the end result.

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At 9/14/2005 9:32 AM, Blogger Brandon declaimed...

Well, it's kinda like how gay people tend to lean towards liberals. They just have more to offer us and it's easier to get them to understand.

At 9/14/2005 11:32 AM, Blogger Aaron Kinney declaimed...

I agree with you Franc. We should heap liberalism on the pile of shit-ideologies right next to conservatism.

The problem I think is that, in America, atheists may not be as aware of other parties and ideologies and what they stand for. In the media and water cooler circles, the conservatives and liberals are all anyone talks about.

I think in many cases its a an example of a false dichotomy. The atheist isnt aware enough of the other choices. And this is backed up by what you said about conversing with atheists and quickly making them realize that they are not liberals like they thought they were.

Also, when it comes to voting, and the choice is a democrat douche or a republican war monger, the atheists flock to the douche as the lesser of two evils. I know I did. I voted for Gore, then for Kerry, if only to defeat Bush. KnowwhatImean?

At 9/14/2005 11:58 AM, Blogger Paul Manata declaimed...

"I voted for Gore"


At 9/14/2005 1:29 PM, Blogger Hellbound Alleee declaimed...

Of course, there can only ever be two sides to every issue. You have to choose the dark side or the light. So if you're not with us you're against us. Atheists choose "liberal," because they think it's the alternative to "right-wing conservative christian."

It's all the christians' fault.

I don't think most atheists are socially conservative, either, which is associated with traditional sex roles and racism.

At 9/14/2005 4:04 PM, Blogger Aaron Kinney declaimed...

Hey Paul, nice to see ya again!

"Evolution is a religion"


At 9/14/2005 4:29 PM, Blogger Francois Tremblay declaimed...


Paul voted for Gore ?

Or is that another of his lame idiotic jokes ?

At 9/14/2005 8:02 PM, Blogger Paul Manata declaimed...

my post proved it was, Aaron. You can't refute my post by saying it's not. You did not substantively interact with my argument but you gave another stellar kinney refutation: "wtf"

Anyway, I hope you've had fun hiding behind the internet, but the time to see if you really know your stuff is coming up... grin

At 9/14/2005 8:44 PM, Blogger The Libertarian Defender declaimed...

Good post.

As a libertarian, I stand opposed to both the liberal and conservative agendas.

However, I always vote Democrat. The Republicans are simply too close to the evangelical Christian activists who seek a theocracy. I could never support the party of Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and Alan Keyes. My strong atheism precludes even the thought.

And, since the Libertarian party will never win a major national election, I resort to voting D.

At 9/14/2005 9:14 PM, Blogger Francois Tremblay declaimed...

"And, since the Libertarian party will never win a major national election, I resort to voting D."

Then you sanction the legitimacy of the democratic process and its power to pass coercive laws in the name of the majority. Doesn't matter who you vote for, you're the sucker either way.

At 9/15/2005 8:03 AM, Blogger Roger Lordblessed declaimed...

What's the matter with the majority placing its authority over the populace? I support democracy because it is the American way. I always vote Green -- because mother Earth is waking up. I want her to be happy! Without democracy, our world would be a sad place. I can't vote any more because I was kicked out of the US. But I support democracy and socialism for every man and woman! I think the ideal form of government would be the kingship of wise men, as of old -- this God hath blessed. Even better -- God reborn on earth to startle the atheist and reclaim Her throne! Maybe this will happen soon! I abide the coming of the LORD!

At 9/15/2005 3:38 PM, Blogger Francois Tremblay declaimed...

For those of you who don't know, "roger lordbless" is the latest sock-puppet of hashishian prophet.

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