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Wednesday, August 23, 2006

Even the ADL Agrees it's Bullshit

The Anti-Defamation League blasted Coral Ridge Ministries for it's upcoming documentary that claims to link Darwin's theory of evolution directly to Hitler's WWII campaign to exterminate the Jewish race:

ADL National Director Abraham H. Foxman said in a statement:"This is an outrageous and shoddy attempt by D. James Kennedy to trivialize the horrors of the Holocaust. Hitler did not need Darwin to devise his heinous plan to exterminate the Jewish people. Trivializing the Holocaust comes from either ignorance at best or, at worst, a mendacious attempt to score political points in the culture war on the backs of six million Jewish victims and others who died at the hands of the Nazis.

"It must be remembered that D. James Kennedy is a leader among the distinct group of 'Christian Supremacists' who seek to "reclaim America for Christ" and turn the U.S. into a Christian nation guided by their strange notions of biblical law."

One thought comes to mind regarding Hitler and his allegedly Darwinistic extermination campaign: Did anybody consider the idea that Hitler's campaign was not "natural selection" but "artificial selection"?

It wasn't a uniform change in the environment that was making Jews die so quickly. Instead, it was a group of thugs throwing perfectly functional and capable human beings into ovens based on their religious and cultural background! What the hell does "natural selection" have to do with mass murder? Did the Nazis have to try to adapt to the ovens like the Jews were forced to do?

I would argue that even if Hitler really did use Darwin's theory as inspiration for the mass-murder of Jews, he got it wrong. Throwing millions of Jews into death camps is, in my opinion, artificial selection! It is stacking the decks, not proving the superior adaptability of a breed of human.

An example of natural selection would be something like a change in the environment for all involved parties (both Jews and Nazis) where everyone had to adapt, and if one party or group couldn't adapt to the change, then they would die out. So to apply that principle consistently, and truly use "natural selection" as a means to justify the extermination of Jews, then shouldn't Hitler have thrown both the Jews and the Aryans both into concentration camps and try to burn all of them in ovens equally quickly and see if the Aryans somehow adapted to the adverse environment and survived?

Natural selection is about competing on the same playing field with the same rules and conditions. So when it is when applied to death camps, it would have to be where Hitler could demonstrate the evolutionary superiority of the Aryan race due to their ability to adapt to ovens so that they wouldn't die when burned (unlike the Jews), and adapting to the miserable conditions in the camps so that they wouldn't starve to death or be worked to death (unlike the Jews).

Only then would his plan have some kind of similarity to natural selection. Hitler's genocidal campaign is simply not analogous to evolutionary theory or natural selection.

Instead, Hitler's campaign was much more analogous to Godly selection. That's because Godly selection is all about stacking the decks and not competing on a level playing field. This filth has much more in common with death camps and ovens than anything that came from Darwin's pen.

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At 8/23/2006 1:10 PM, Blogger Hellbound Alleee declaimed...

Excellent post, Aaron.

You would have to wonder why creationists are so eager to try and apply evolution to the European Holocaust when there are plenty of holocausts to choose from in the bible. Doesn't seem very "Darwinian" of Joshua's armies in Kings when they committed genocides, either. Maybe those genocides are "good" genocides, since fictional Jews committed those?

At 8/23/2006 1:18 PM, Blogger Aaron Kinney declaimed...

Another good point, thanks Alleee! :)

At 8/23/2006 8:50 PM, Blogger breakerslion declaimed...

They cannot reconcile the fact that they are mindless buttholes, yet seemingly intelligent people still listen to them. This causes confusion as to what evolution really is. All attempts to calm this confusion and clarify the mind with Jack Daniels have so far failed, but they keep trying.

At 8/23/2006 9:38 PM, Blogger Bahnsen Burner declaimed...

If people like D. James Kennedy were truly interested in what led to the rise of the Third Reich and its notorious hatred of Jewry, why don't they turn the spot light on Martin Luther? Luther's book The Jews and Their Lies is, according to historian Paul Johnson, "first work of modern anti-Semitism, and a giant step forward on the road to the Holocaust." Naturally today's Lutherans have sought to distance themselves from Luther's overtly anti-Semitic writings, but their attempts to dismiss Luther's influential role in German culture prior to the rise of Nazism ring hollow. I myself have encountered some dyed-in-the-wool Lutherans over the years, and not a mere few of them were frothing with racist venom. Their whole worldview is governed by a hatred for man, so why do they try to pawn it off? Why not simply own up to it and admit their hate? It's easy to see through their deceit.


At 8/24/2006 11:17 AM, Blogger BlackSun declaimed...

Aaron, great post. There has also been an attempt to use the U.S. eugenics movement (which Hitler used as a model for the Holocaust), to discredit science and evolution.

The eugenics movement, which had support all the way up to the U.S. supreme court, was a failure of politics, not science. They violated the constitution, and took away people's rights. Science merely pointed out that people had genetic differences. Like you said, instead of allowing natural selection, they were using artificial selection to decide who to forcibly sterilize.

At 8/24/2006 12:22 PM, Blogger Aaron Kinney declaimed...


You see natural selection is when animals fail to survive of their own accord.

Burning Jews in ovens and calling it natural selection is like making dolphins extinct through high-powered active sonar pulses and calling THAT "natural selection".

At 8/26/2006 4:26 PM, Blogger Steven Carr declaimed...

Hitler used creationist arguments that creationists adore.

From 'Mein Kampf' Volume 1 Chapter 11

'The consequence of this racial purity, universally valid in Nature, is not only the sharp outward delimitation of the various races, but their uniform character in themselves. The fox is always a fox, the goose a goose, the tiger a tiger, etc., and the difference can lie at most in the varying measure of force, strength, intelligence, dexterity, endurance, etc., of the individual specimens. But you will never find a fox who in his inner attitude might, for example, show humanitarian tendencies toward geese, as similarly there is no cat with a friendly inclination toward mice.'

At 8/27/2006 6:22 PM, Blogger idlex declaimed...

"This filth has much more in common with death camps and ovens than anything that came from Darwin's pen."


"At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world." Darwin. The Descent of Man. Chapter VI

At 8/28/2006 12:35 PM, Blogger Aaron Kinney declaimed...

Chris Davis,

Try Sodom and Gomorrah, you quote miner.

Again, Darwin said "exterminate" in reference to the level-playing-field competition of two or more groups vying for the same resources.

This means humans competing along the same rules, not stacking decks by throwing other groups in ovens.

In the game Football, two teams compete with the same rules to score points. That is Darwinistic natural selection.

Naziism is having one football team roast the other one in ovens and then score touchdowns unopposed.

That is not natural selection. That is not competition.

At 8/28/2006 12:59 PM, Blogger idlex declaimed...

But Darwin never mentions "level-playing-field competition" anywhere, ever, Aaron. You're putting words into his mouth that he never said.

Chris Davis, by contrast, was just quoting Darwin verbatim. And "exterminate" means today exactly what it meant 130 years ago.

At 8/29/2006 6:02 PM, Blogger Aaron Kinney declaimed...

Nice try but no cigar idlex. Darwin implicitly endorsed the level playing field through his description of evolution: where two or more types of organisms compete in the SAME environment for the SAME resources, and the better equipped organism wins out. In addition, Darwin specifically mentioned ADAPTATION to a given environment, and the organism that can better ADAPT will "exterminate" the other through being a superior competitor... NOT through violently killing its competitor directly.

Throwing Jews in ovens is NOT competing on the same playing field for the same resources. Committing a Holocaust is not "competitive", nor is it a method for determining which racial group will better "adapt" to a given environment.

If anyone is putting words in Darwins mouth, its you, not me. You misdefined "exterminate" because you defined it to mean direct violence against your competitor, when Darwin meant it through out-competing the competitor.

I, on the other hand, didnt put ords into Darwins mouth. My analysis is wholly consistent with the concepts that Darwin expounded upon: competition for the same resources in the same environment, adapting to changes in a given environment, etc...

I challenge anyone who does not agree with me to provide an ANALOGY to DEMONSTRATE that throwing jews in ovens is EQUIVALENT to COMPETING for the same resources in the same environment.

Throwing Jews in ovens is, in reality, ANTI-COMPETITIVE. .It is cheating by directly killing your opponent to avoid having to compete with them for the same resources.

And finally, the fact that Nazis accused Jews of controlling everything and masterminding the demise of the German state is actually an implicit admission on their part that the JEWS were OUT-COMPETING the Nazis. So the Nazis eliminated the competition by committing genocide against the Jews.

At 8/29/2006 6:05 PM, Blogger Aaron Kinney declaimed...

And yes, Chris David was quoting verbatim. Quote mining, in fact. He attempted to misconstrue Darwins meaning of the word "exterminate".


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