"Terry Schiavo" did not die
Francois Tremblay Permalink
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As if to illustrate how evil the Christian lack of values is... a couple of scumbags on Manata's blog are busy masturbating about their fantasy world where women have no rights and a dead person is not dead. This whole "Terry Schiavo" controversy, to me, has illustrated what liars, depraved, immoral dogs Christians are. Not only do they harass pregnant women, but now they harass the family and friends of a woman who has been dead since 1990.
Of course, everyone bought into the Christian propaganda that "Terry Schiavo" was still alive, which was a lie, and everyone (except some fanatics in the White House) knows it's a lie. But whoever accused Christians of being honest ?
Christians have no notion of personhood, and they have no intention of understanding the concept : their depraved war against abortion is based on total ignorance of personhood and defines their social identity. They have set themselves up as the oppressors and will always remain the oppressors, until religion is stopped, trampled underfoot by reason and science. Or we will continue to live in an insane world.
Jail would be too good for them. I wish them to feel the guilt of their actions for the rest of their miserable lives. But of course, that would require them to have values and enough intelligence to feel guilt.
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Remember: To them, you're not a person unless you can be molded for JEEEEEEZUS. Once you're born or dead, you don't matter to them.
It's sick, it's sad, but it's unfortunately shown to be their modus operandi.
A little bit off topic, but CNN.com says that the Pope's breathing has shallowed and his organs are failing. He's about to DIE!!!
Now, THIS is a GOOD FRIDAY!
"Now, THIS is a GOOD FRIDAY!"
I hope it's not just an April Fool's Day joke. That would be a big letdown!
Unfortunately, there will always be another Pope. Nevertheless, the death of any leader of ignorance and evil should be joyful.
wow, I hate to think that you are representors of the "reason" that is supposed to trample religion. I wouldn't wish the kind of pain aborted babies and Terri Schiavo have suffered on a dog I didn't like: and you don't count their sufferings, so I guess what you wish on us Christians is pretty bad. And I don't even consider dogs persons--whereas in spite of my being molded for Christ Jesus, I do fit your abritrary criteria of personhood: unless you are going to arbitrarily exclude me? It sounds kind of like your reign of reason is going to resemble the holocaust, if Christians are to suffer and be eliminated like... oh! nonpersons! You're going to have a hard time explaining to Hitler why he was a bad boy for inflicting pain and elimination on all those Jews.
And on the contrary, vulgar mediocre guy, I consider you a person, whether you are ever molded for Christ Jesus or not. So does Christ. You will be held accountable as such, just as I will. And I pray you don't suffer, any of you.
wow, I hate to think that you are representors of the "reason" that is supposed to trample religion. I wouldn't wish the kind of pain aborted babies and Terri Schiavo have suffered
Prove this suffering. Terri felt NOTHING. Her brain did not have enough function to make her feel anything. Do you understand? Furthermore, your non sequitur use of anti-abortion rhetoric only digs your hole deeper.
whereas in spite of my being molded for Christ Jesus, I do fit your abritrary criteria of personhood: unless you are going to arbitrarily exclude me?
I cannot, and will not, speak for Zach or Francois. However, if you ask me, you're anything but a person - you're more like a puppet, vainly swinging your frail little arms at whatever your master wants you to swing at.
It sounds kind of like your reign of reason is going to resemble the holocaust,
You sick bastard. You belittle the suffering that the Jews took at the hands of some of the worst people in all history and group your sick little mass of power-crazed hate-pushers with them? Shame on you! You make me physically ill!
I dearly hope that no Jewish person with a short fuse should ever read this comment, or you had better hope your god exists, for it will be ALL YOU HAVE!
And on the contrary, vulgar mediocre guy, I consider you a person, whether you are ever molded for Christ Jesus or not.
The feeling is not mutual. I do not believe in your magical sky-man, and all your hate preaching is only making it less likely I will ever listen to you.
You will be held accountable as such, just as I will. And I pray you don't suffer, any of you.
You piteable sack of waste. You can't even go without using one of your tired old Xtian clichés, can you? I'm not at all moved by your need to throw words at the sky. In fact, I am quite repulsed. Instead of trying to convince me in some logical, sane way, you instead resort to the same old tactics that every other failed missionary has resorted to.
I'm sorry it had to come to this, guys, but I'm on a real anger kick right now. Please have enough heart not to try and excise me from this journal.
No, I'm with you VMG. Anyone who still complains and whines after being exposed for the lying dogs that he is, deserve all the insults you can throw at him. I'm calling open season on any Christian who dares to defend his actions against women and "Terry Schiavo"'s family. I would give good money to have HZ within arm's reach.
HZ, you Christian sack of shit, SHAME ON YOU.
WOW can you say lunatics? You guys are irrational emotional zealots who just continually assert and it could just as easily be reversed.
Hey I got a good idea... Let's just kill all mentally ill people like Schiavo since we can now *know* they feel nothing - if they indeed do.. I know several like her... but wait if she felt *nothing* then why was she sentenced to death?
"I would give good money to have HZ within arm's reach."
Look at you talking smack over the internet. That's real cool Fransuave. You would not do the first thing.. :(
anonymous : if I had one of you sick Christian nazis within arm's reach ? You better believe I would do something about it. But not living in a fundamentalist Christian country like most of you do, I'll fortunately never have to deal with your ilk.
Frank, You are such an internet warrior and badass! Stop it you are scaring me.. anyway, you are such a tool for that..
Maybe you are the one that is fortunate since we may decide that you are now a nonperson and take you out as a result.
anonymous, you just dont get it.
KILLING TERRI SCHIAVO WAS THE RESPONSIBLE, HUMANE THING TO DO!
To let her live in that pathetic state is akin to torturing her if she even had the ability to still feel anything.
anonymous, if you really do think that keeping Terri alive was the "better" choice, then you need your head examined.
Giving honest feedback for good and bad ideas and actions is vital to the continued progress of society. That is why its a good thing to belittle people that peddle ignorance and hold stupid ideas in their hearts. Its no different than praising exceptional people for their good ideas and values. Positive reinforcement goes to those that help fellow man, and negative reinforcement goes to those that hurt fellow man.
People that wanted to keep Terri alive were basically tormenting her through their own ignorance and lack of vision. People that push religious ideas onto the population likewise hurting humanity due to ignorance. In both cases, insults and other negative feedback, along with corrective instructions, should be liberally served out to those that hurt and torment their fellow man through ignorance.
Therefore, anonymous, you should start thinking for once and shed your ignorant ideas in favor of education and progress.
And if you want to talk about who does and does not have courage through their actions on the internet, I would like to point out that YOU are the one here who is posting as "anonymous." You stupid ckicken. If you knew anything, you would know that the people who run this blog do a HELL OF A LOT MORE than merely post on the net. What do you do besides post on the net, anonymous?
Franc,
I have seen your picture on your website. Now, stop lying to the guys, you must admit you're anything but a physical specimen to be delt with. If we want to play this game: I'm pretty muscular (will have some pics on my blog soon). I have been in jail 3 times, have many tatoos, shaved head, handle bar mustache, bech over 300 pounds for reps, sqaut over 560 for reps, leg press over 1,000, I used to be an amiture fighter, being trained for mixed matial arts fighting in Japan and the illegal Mexican circut, bust cut short due to the birth of my son, I used to be in the Navy and was undergoing Navy Seal training before I got kicked out for doing steroids. Furthermore, the Bible allows me to defend myself =).
But, since I have became a christian I don't go out and hurt people anymore. I do not fight that way anymore. Our weapions are mighty for the casting down of everything which seeks to raise itself up against the knowledge of God. We destroy things, in a different way. We can do this because of the power and wisdom of Christ. Indeed, look at how your arguments have been sliced and diced. Concepts are bundles of neurons... hardee friggin har har.
Aaron Skinney says: "I would like to point out that YOU are the one here who is posting "anonymous." You stupid ckicken."
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN WE HAVE ANOTHER INTERNET HERO. Maybe we should come out with internet action figurines! One for Mr. Skinney and another for Fransuave!
LET ME ASK YOU HOW YOU *KNOW* IT WAS THE HUMANE THING TO DO. You sure do claim to know an awful lot.
I can just as easily assert "To let YOU live in YOUR pathetic state is akin to torturing YOU if YOU even had the ability to still feel anything.
Mr. Skinney, You should start using your mind and REALIZE THAT YOU CAN'T READ OTHER PEOPLES' MINDS... You also need to realize you don't *know* half the rhetoric you spew from that trap of yours.
"What do you do besides post on the net, anonymous?"
NOTHING AT ALL!!
Anon said - Hey I got a good idea... Let's just kill all mentally ill people like Schiavo since we can now *know* they feel nothing
I say - Mental illness and brain damage are NOT the same thing, so why are you being so stupid as to compare them?
Answer? So that you can demonise people.
Only thing is, you insult Terri's memory as well...
Santa says: "I say - Mental illness and brain damage are NOT the same thing, so why are you being so stupid as to compare them?"
Santa - I don't care what you *say*... I *say* they are...
hey anonymous, Santa's pretty old, let's get rid of him too! Useless old people taking up our oxygen!
Hey, if a destroy a bag of chemicals how is that different than destroying a walking bag of chemicals?
No I am anonymous! j/k...
"Santa's pretty old, let's get rid of him too! Useless old people taking up our oxygen!"
Good idea! But he also eats too much food, that fatass. Let's off him...
"Hey, if a destroy a bag of chemicals how is that different than destroying a walking bag of chemicals?"
Plus santa is just a walking bag of fat...
"Plus santa is just a walking bag of fat... "
Be nice now, he's got some milk in him.
Hey, since these guys say that concepts are bundles of neurons I wonder if they can tell us if the concept of Santa is to the left or the right of the concept of the easter bunny? Does the concept of Santa weigh more?
Notice that these geeks made fun of the pope dying but all of a sudden they have a moral conscience! Guys, I think your slip is showing.
Franc said, " Nevertheless, the death of any leader of ignorance and evil should be joyful." Hey, anonymous, you buy the cigars when michael Martin dies and I'll spring for the beers when Fransuave dies... deal?
hey anonymous... we MUST tread lightly in this area or they'll pull out some more of their internet threats! So be careful around here!
Anonymous said, "Hey, since these guys say that concepts are bundles of neurons I wonder if they can tell us if the concept of Santa is to the left or the right of the concept of the easter bunny? Does the concept of Santa weigh more?"
Now that would be interesting.. Maybe these genius's can tell us since they know (read: assert) everything else.
"Hey, anonymous, you buy the cigars when michael Martin dies and I'll spring for the beers when Fransuave dies... deal?"
sounds good - what a joyful day! We must remember though - there will also be another one to replace him (adapted from the brilliant wisdom of Fransuave himself)...:)
VMG, Frank and Whoever... You guys are sad. I'll pray for you.
hey anonymous, tatia azure just told everyone what she believes! You know the phrase, opinions are like... =)
uuuuummmmm...a bundle of neurons??? kinda like concepts? :)
everyone knows that nurons have nothin to do with the humane mind! God put those their to test us! aperently some people fall for it! the bible doesnt say that the brain has anything to do with ur thinking! we r spirits, not checmicals!
I could see a lot of anger in this entry. I am a Christian myself and I'm proud to be one. I know that right now you are thinking, "Oh man... another detestable person! Wish I could eliminate him right now!"
I want to tell you... you might hate me, but that won't stop me from loving you. I know that I don't know you at all, but no matter who you are, I do care about you deeply.
Say whatever you want to toward me... that won't change my love for you. Inside me... I'm dead but with Christ, I'm made anew.
I just pray that one day you will come to realization that God exist and that He loves you deeply and cares about you. Remember... God has a gift ready for you only if you will take it. It's ur choice. :) I'll be praying for you.
That's great Paul. You're stronger than I am. Whooo. Too bad we're not in the prehistoric age anymore, you'd be a celebrity in your tribe. Ooga-booga, sicko.
I must also make clear that I have absolutely no intention of hurting any fundamentalist Christian. I'd have to be fair and hurt them all, and obviously that would take longer than my natural lifespan. I'm afraid even modern weaponry wouldn't be of much help in this case. Only an Act of God could. ;)
I am always surprised to see how many atheist web sites and books spend so much time end energy arguing about something that "does not exist".
If I were an atheist, I do not think I would waste what little of a fleeting and hopeless existence I do have here on earth arguing about something I think does not exist. I would be a total hedonist truing to grab all I can before I die. . . .
Interesting.
Paul had to drag in some of his liar buddies to threaten us. You flaw. You sad little man. You're nothing but another Xtian bully, trying to get your way, and since you know we won't give in, you have to summon your goons. And now, you know that your goon squad isn't fazing us... so you're going to do what you always do. You'll say that we're "idiots", then run off declaring victory.
Oh, and to all of you little threat-flinging pansies, I know for a fact that not one of you would ever have the balls to say those things to my face. You're all afraid. You little bastards. You are the shame of the Internet.
Go on, threaten me again. It's not even that hard for me to obtain an IP address and have the local authorities knocking on your door in a few hours' time. If you think you're so immune because of your magic sky-man, go ahead. See what it gets you - a tiny room in the local lockup.
I am not afraid of Xtian bullies. They're no different from the kids I knew in high school... except these bullies can't be reached.
VMG,
Maybe you have a problem reading but who has threatened who here? I called out Fransuave for so doing... Here is his quote, "I would give good money to have HZ within arm's reach."
As a matter of fact you were the one slinging mud at hz and then cry when you get it back...
You guys are so hypocritical..
anonymous, they're not hypocrites, they're big babies who throw temper tantrums when they don't get enough love in the cold-unloving universe of theirs.
Anyway, did you hear VMG? He said he was going to tattle tale if someone beeds means toods him. He was going to tell on people and "show them." We all know that "snitches" are the lowest of the low... they even get killed in jail before child molesters!
Boo-hoo.
You little cowards are too afraid to leave your names. You're nothing but whiny little boys on Lying Paul's leash. Make an identity at this site and keep commenting - you'll just get more of the same.
But you're too afraid - you might have to own up to the fact that you're just schoolyard bullies who never grew up.
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VMG : That's all they are... snarling, hateful bullies. Praise Providence that these wackos don't have political power any more.
Oh, unless you're in the United States, in which case you're pretty much screwed. One Nation Under the War God, eh ?
Santa says: "I say - Mental illness and brain damage are NOT the same thing, so why are you being so stupid as to compare them?"
Santa - I don't care what you *say*... I *say* they are...
Then you need to educate yourself on the differences between them.
Let me help you...
Mental illness. A Psychological problem.
Brain damage. Physical damage to the brain.
My name, is Luke Skywalker! Now you know it so stop accusing me of hiding.
VMG, poor wittle guy who gots picked on in the sandbox. Hint: boys who played hopscotch deserved to get the snot beat out of them. Now you just play intellectual hopscotch. You just come in here and whine and complain and call names like a little baby. boo-hoo
Santa says, "Then you need to educate yourself on the differences between them. Let me help you...
Mental illness. A Psychological problem.
Brain damage. Physical damage to the brain."
Santa Santa Santa... again I don't care what your definition is... Since we can both be arbitrary, I don't care what you *say*. If we want to be arbitrary, why not kill all fat people?
I have a distant relative by marriage who is practically the same as Mrs. Schiavo and he did not have "brain damage" as you define.. As a matter of fact, your "brain damage" leads to physcological damage, as in Mrs Schiavo's case... Got it?
Hey franc,
What's the internet threat for the day? :)
Santa says, "Then you need to educate yourself on the differences between them. Let me help you...
Mental illness. A Psychological problem.
Brain damage. Physical damage to the brain."
Anon states> Santa Santa Santa... again I don't care what your definition is... Since we can both be arbitrary, I don't care what you *say*. If we want to be arbitrary, why not kill all fat people?
I say> You reveal your ignorance by refusing to accept the medical definitions.
Once more, since you seem unable to understand the difference, Mental Illness is Pyschological in nature while Brain Damage is Physical in nature.
Anon> I have a distant relative by marriage who is practically the same as Mrs. Schiavo and he did not have "brain damage" as you define.. As a matter of fact, your "brain damage" leads to physcological damage, as in Mrs Schiavo's case... Got it?
I say> Always? You are stating that Brain Damage ALWAYS leads to Mental Illness?
Aside from the fact that Terri suffered MASSIVE brain damage and was left with no mental capacity for anything, I think you should consider that the vast majority of people suffering from mental illnesses have NO PHYSICAL DAMAGE TO THEIR BRAINS.
Now, I'm not denying that brain damage can lead to psychological problems, but those instances are incredibly rare. (personality changes are not mental illnesses, by the way, and that is the most common psychological problem caused by brain damage ie. in more than 99% of all cases)
As for your "sob story", if they didn't have brain damage as defined by the medical proffesion, then they were certainly NOT even remotely like Terri. (incidentally, PVS is a physical condition, not psychological, so it's not a mental illness. You should start learning about that which you talk)
Hey santa,
I got a good idea.. Before you post again, learn the context of the debate.. You reveal your ignorance by not knowing context.. The point is that if we want to start being arbitrary about who dies then let's do it. Where do we stop? With what you say? Or with what the majority thinks? Guess what... if we are going to be arbitrary, I really don't care what you nor anyone else says...
There's been so many people on this thread saying that she didn't feel anything.. Well how do they know? They don't, they just assert as usual.
Santa says, "Once more, since you seem unable to understand the difference, Mental Illness is Pyschological in nature while Brain Damage is Physical in nature."
Again you miss the point. No one is talking about personality changes. I'm talking about retarded people in general and vegetables (I was attempting to be nice and speaking broadly when I said "mental illness" earlier). People that can't take care of themselves. These are physical problems I was speaking.
But who cares though? Why not mentally ill people as well? Why not fat people? Come on, let's be arbitrary.. Let's use our "wisdom" and start deciding who needs to live and die. How about that santa?
Oh santa,
I love how you jump from someone being brain damaged to assuming they should be killed... that's genius. Maybe you could write that argument out for us all.
Gee whiz anonymous, Im a bit underwhelmed. I thought you would actually give me a good reply. But all you did was chamge my last name to "skinney" and throw around some other ad hominem. Then you told me something I already know, and finished it off with an admission that you dont do shit else besides post on the net. You sure were busy on this site over the weekend it seems.
Well I guess I can rest my case. Have a nice life and try to go read some books or something. You could use an education.
Oh, unless you're in the United States, in which case you're pretty much screwed. One Nation Under the War God, eh ?
Which I am. That's why I try to stay as far away from crazy folk as possible.
aaron,
What I find so funny is how when you guys get a taste of your own ridicule you start whining like the babies that you are. Interesting how you try to dish it out but can't take it.
"Then you told me something I already know,"
Huh? What are you talking about? You are either ignorant or cannot read. So go back and reread and you'll see what was "asked" (required) of you. Nevertheless, you still missed the reversal of your completely arbitrary post. But hey, maybe you "could use an education". that's brilliant there aaron.
"and finished it off with an admission that you dont do shit else besides post on the net."
What is also interesting is how you take sarcasm seriously.
"You sure were busy on this site over the weekend it seems."
Oh and I guess you just know it was all one person huh.. just like you seem to just *know* (read:assert) everything else.
1. Aborted babies have been proven to feel pain.
2. You have absolutely no evidence that Terri Schiavo did not feel pain but your own assertions that she wasn't a person: according to you, though, babies aren't persons either, and their pain has been scientifically proven.
3. Your defining away of my personhood in a fit of anger and vulgar mediocrisms is very telling.
4. I have Jewish blood, and do not take the holocaust at all lightly: I find it rather ironic that you people who rise up in boiling indignation at a comparison to Hitler, who would want to make me suffer for my Jewish ancestry, try to make me feel the shame of such a comparison by wanting to make me to make me suffer for my Christianity.
5. All of your incensed vulgarisms about my mentioning of the Jews cannot take away the fact that you are the ones defining away personhood, and discounting suffering. It is your behaviour that belittles the sufferings of the Jews. It is your methodology that does so, no matter how loudly your cry shame at anybody who tells you the truth about it. We ought to have learned from their sufferings, that the value of human life is not something to be dictated to by our reason (or lack of it). That its value lies beyond what we arbitrarily define as personhood. That we are not superior in value to those whose personhood we refuse to recognize. That our disregard of any suffering does not make us more human, but less. We ought to have learned all of this, especially after such a horrific nightmare as the holocaust. You have not learned it.
6. All of your comments serve as another illustration that animosity towards God does not spring from reason, but from corruption.
More straw-man BS from the liar. More unsupported "facts" and ideas from the monkey of Lying Paul Manata.
Did I expect better? Not really.
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